A Christian apologetic video called "10 INCREDIBLE BIBLE FACTS to blow your mind" was posted to the "Philosophy of Religion" G+ Group. Bible click-bait is not "Philosophy of Religion." But I took the time to respond anyways.
1: So what? Harry Potter sold a lot of books too. Doesn't make it true.
2: Lots of authors, but "the Bible does not contradict itself" Yes. It does. Lots. There are whole indices of the contradictions. http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html
But even if it were, a cursory understanding of how the Bible was formed (by committee, from a much larger set of texts) shows that it could be just good editing, not good writing.
3: Again. So what? This is just false. Book of Mormon says that god said things too. https://www.lds.org/ensign/1988/01/the-book-of-mormon-is-the-word-of-god?lang=eng
4: What a cute legend.
5. We're going down-hill here. This is pretty wildly speculative and vague. I wrote a blog about how this sort of post-hoc rationality works. The prophecies of Dr. Seuss
http://www.atheistengineer.com/2015/06/the-of-dr-seuss.html
"Jesus is Coming Back Soon." This has been the Christian claim
6. The Bible is true?! LMFAO. Where are the four corners of the earth? Stop pretending a circle is the same as a sphere.
Wow. Look under the water and you can see rocky formations that resemble what's over the land.
You're doing science just like the Muslims do it!
https://twitter.com/AtheistEngineer/status/671157215210766336
Step 1: Look at what's real.
Step 2: Find places where the Bible can be interpreted to suggest those things.
7. Ha ha ha. So there's some facts which agree with history? I'll defer to the usual "Spider Man happens in New York, but it doesn't make Spider Man true."
The Biblical writings are "viable"? Might not be false isn't a very good basis.
8. Accurate to what?! Oh. The disagreements between different scribes are "minor" in the opinion of some biblical historians? The 31,000
9. Methamphetamine has also changed people's lives. People who use it are transformed. They become committed to methamphetamine. Does that make it true? The video goes on to cite a few anecdotes about people who were born and raised Christian, then happened to do good things anyways. Lots of people find Jesus at their lowest -- because that's when they're most vulnerable to indoctrination.
10. There's a corrupted Bible? God hasn't protected "his word" very well, eh? Imagine if that happened EARLY in the Bible's history. The result would be an unreliable Bible today!
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Thursday, April 14, 2016
Response to: Proof That The Bible Is True
So let's disassemble it point by point.
1. Written By Different Men Over 2000 Years
This got complicated in a hurry. I'm going to color-code it for you.
Green will be for lies or baseless speculation.
Red will be for fallacies.
Purple will be for non-sequiturs.
Green will be for lies or baseless speculation.
Red will be for fallacies.
Purple will be for non-sequiturs.
The Bible is a collection of 66 books which were written by about 40 men over a period of 1500 years or more. Most of these authors had never physically met but yet their message in what they wrote is structured, consistent, accurate, inter-related and perfectly unified throughout. Though these writers physically penned the 66 books, the individual writers, at the time of writing, had no idea that their message was eventually to be incorporated into one single Book, that we know today as being The Bible.All we need to is notice that the premise of this claim is laughably false. The volume of work by Christian apologetics necessary to "homogenize" the wildly inconsistent and inaccurate books of the bible show just how inconsistent it is. The wide range of beliefs held by disparate groups, all of whom consider themselves Christians reinforces this fact.
Interestingly (as we keep in mind the accuracy & consistency of their writings) these writers believed and claimed that they were writing or transmitting the very word of God – or that their writings were as a result of the inspiration of ONE single Supernatural Author – God Himself.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 – All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
But even if it were as consistent as the author of this blog claims, later authors clearly knew of earlier authors and shared a common religion with them. Consistency is not without plausible naturalistic explanation.
2. The Scientific Accuracy of the Bible
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ow my sides hurt.
I've converted the original article claims to numbers so that I might taunt them one by one.
Another striking evidence of divine inspiration is found in the fact that many of the
principles of modern science were recorded as facts of nature in the Bible long before
scientist confirmed them experimentally. A sampling of these would include:
- The Earth is round, not flat as once believed (Isaiah 40:22).
- Atmospheric circulation (Ecclesiastes 1:6).
- Field of Gravity (Job 26:7).
- Biological importance of blood to life (Leviticus 17:11,12).
- The Bible refers to dinosaurs. Job 40:15 and Job 41:1 speak of two such creatures.
1. Isaiah 40:22 says nothing about a spherical earth. Indeed, it puts "God" above the earth the heavens like a curtain over it. If you understand basic geometry of a spherical earth, "above" is an irrelevant concept for a spherical earth. It ONLY makes sense for a flat earth.
Edit: original author implied that "God sits above the circle of the earth," a point long since refuted. http://www.crivoice.org/circle.html
2. Wow. Winds blow.
3. "He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing." has nothing to do with gravity as the author claimed. I'm sensing a trend here.
4. I think ancient people understood that if you let the blood out of something, it dies. This is not modern scientific discovery.
5. Or … it speaks of monsters. See how that works? It didn't describe fossils, it described non-existent creatures just like other fairy tales.
This whole claim doesn't even make sense. Why would survival imply truth?
2. Wow. Winds blow.
3. "He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing." has nothing to do with gravity as the author claimed. I'm sensing a trend here.
4. I think ancient people understood that if you let the blood out of something, it dies. This is not modern scientific discovery.
5. Or … it speaks of monsters. See how that works? It didn't describe fossils, it described non-existent creatures just like other fairy tales.
3. Over 100 Prophetic Accuracies About Jesus Christ
This is called a Gish Gallop, and since the author doesn't bother to lay them all out, I'll simply point out that the Jews sure don't think that's true, and the Torah is their book so they should know.
The one consistent theme of the Bible, is that from Genesis to Revelation, the Bible consistently refers and prophesies about Jesus Christ who ultimately is mankind’s Lord & Saviour. There are over 300 specific prophecies in the Old Testament that are fulfilled in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ in the New Testament.
4. The Bible Is Endorsed by Jesus Christ
So we're to believe that Jesus endorsed a book which wouldn't exist for another 300 years after his death? LOL.
Matthew 5:17-18 – (Jesus speaking) “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.”When Jesus was on earth at the time, only the Old Testament existed. Jesus read and quoted from the Old Testament. Therefore if the Bible was inaccurate or untrustworthy, Jesus would have not quoted the Old Testament. When Jesus was tempted by the devil, Christ overcame the devil’s temptation by responding with Scripture quoted from the Old Testament. This was a clear indication not only of the authority and trustworthiness of the Bible but also that Jesus Himself was willing to be obedient to do what The Bible teaches.First, need to demonstrate that:
READ Matthew 4:1-17
- Jesus never quoted anything which contained any falsehood
- Infallibility somehow provides a protective power against "devil temptation."
5. Its Survival
This whole claim doesn't even make sense. Why would survival imply truth?
The Bible starting from Genesis has survived for over 1500 years. No other book has been so consistently studied, bought or quoted by mankind. Its teachings are still relevant even after 1000 years, a clear proof that God’s word is authoritative and does not change. No other book has been loved or hated as the Bible but yet it still survives and remains the highest seller among all books.Yup. Meaningless fluff that has absolutely no relation to the alleged conclusion (the Bible is True). I suppose we're to believe that its longevity implies some sort of magical protection from Yahweh, but even if that were true, it wouldn't demonstrate that Yahweh authored it or endorses it.
Matthew 24:35 – Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
6. Archaeological Evidence
Sigh.
A number of archaeological and geographic evidences exist to prove the accuracy and historic truthfulness of the Bible. Archaeological discoveries have been made which verify the various Biblical stories and events mentioned in scripture.
Romans 1:20-21 – For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
This is the Composition / Division fallacy -- the belief that because some aspect of the Bible is true that this truthfulness somehow applies to the whole. Let's consider the following excerpt of mathematical equations I just made up.
- 2 + 2 = 4
- 2 + 2 = 4
- 2 + 2 = 4
- 2 + 2 = 4
- 7 + 7 = 12
- 2 + 2 = 4
- 2 + 2 = 4
We observe that nearly all of the equations are true, but it's not at all safe to assume that this applies to all of the equations.
7. Life Changing Power
For thousands of years, the Bible has changed countless lives and has provided a means by which mankind can know and understand who God is and what God says about every life situation that we face on this earth. The Bible also is one huge story about God’s relationship with man. The Bible speaks of God’s love and plan of salvation from sin through Jesus Christ. People of different backgrounds and beliefs can testify of the life changing experiences that God’s word has brought to their lives.Yup. Just more baseless speculation and dogmatic claims. No real substance. Even if the claims being made were true, it wouldn't demonstrate the truth of the Bible.
Hebrews 4:12-13 – For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
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Sunday, November 29, 2015
The Holy Spirit told me God isn't real
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What is the Holy Spirit, and how can we know when it's talking to us?
I was going to share my personal opinions based on my experiences as a Christian, but that would only lead to charges that I'm wrong. Instead, I'll use some GotQuestions "answers" [Emphasis is my own]:
But how do we recognize the Spirit’s guidance? How do we discern between our own thoughts and His leading? After all, the Holy Spirit does not speak with audible words. Rather, He guides us through our own consciences (Romans 9:1) and other quiet, subtle ways.
One of the most important ways to recognize the Holy Spirit’s guidance is to be familiar with God’s Word. The Bible is the ultimate source of wisdom about how we should live (2 Timothy 3:16), and believers are to search the Scriptures, meditate on them, and commit them to memory (Ephesians 6:17).
So what do I mean when I say "The Holy Spirit sold me God isn't real"? I mean that:
As I reached the age of reason, I studied the Christian teachings I'd been taught as a child. I searched my soul to understand the ethics of the God / Jesus model I had been taught. Some things became clear:
- It's knowledge of the Bible that emerged from my conscience,
- This knowledge was revealed to me over the course of months or years of routine study of the Bible as a believing Christian, and
- The revelation occurred as a series of smaller revelations, such that the entire faith was internally consistent at any one time.
- An loving and ethical God wouldn't punish me for thinking for myself. God is loving and ethical, so it's safe to think for myself. (This was the key to freedom)
- A fair assessment of biblical stories must include all reasonable explanations
- One potential explanation is that the people who wrote the bible were sincere but deceived
- Another explanation is that they were insincere
- Another is that the message was corrupted or manipulated during canonization
- Finally, there's a chance that a god with the omni's wrote it.
- There are a great many serious problems with that final hypothesis::
- If a God wrote the Bible, it really ought to be in agreement with the emerging discoveries of science rather than conflicting with them.
- A just and loving God wouldn't chose to ban shellfish and permit slavery
- An intelligent god would understand that we are rational creatures and require reasonable evidence to accept a claim.
- There are many reasons to believe the Bible could be sincere yet false
- Even in the modern era, it's common for people to interpret events inaccurately
- Much of the Bible (especially OT) is known to be pre-literate Jewish oral tradition.
- Even many of the NT Books are of unknown authorship or are written generations after the alleged events.
- When I stopped to reflect on the communications I'd had with God / Jesus, I realized
- They were never specific enough to make a prediction of an outcome
- They never provided me with objective insight which I didn't already have.
- In these VERY REAL ways, my communications with "god" were not possible to distinguish from my own imagination.
Knowledge of God’s Word can help us to discern whether or not our desires come from the Holy Spirit. We must test our inclinations against Scripture—the Holy Spirit will never prod us to do anything contrary to God’s Word. If it conflicts with the Bible, then it is not from the Holy Spirit and should be ignored.But what is "God's Word"? Obviously, they think it's the Bible (which version)? Other people think it's the Quran or the Book of Mormon or some other book. But we all have seen how the Bible contradicts itself. A cursory review of the breadth of Christian denominations proves that one can read anything one wants into the Bible. It's like a Rorschach Test for believers. In any case, that's not a rational way to approach any test. Reasonable people recognize that the Bible they were handed was handled by men in the following chain from their hands:
- Store
- Delivery
- Printer
- Editor
- Many hundreds of years (in some cases)
- Translator
- Many hundreds of years
- Canon selection (allegedly divine, impossible to verify)
- Original Author (mostly anonymous)
- Source material (allegedly divine, impossible to verify)
... he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God’s will” (Romans 8:26–27).In any case, the end result is that we know it's god or the holy spirit because you're studying scripture, or praying, it feels real, and it agrees with scripture -- something poetic and open to many interpretations. In talking to many Christians, it came across that God or the Holy Spirit were talking when things were suddenly clear and understandable. This was the measure Christians seem to tend actually to use.
As I reached the age of reason, I studied the Christian teachings I'd been taught as a child. I searched my soul to understand the ethics of the God / Jesus model I had been taught. Some things became clear:
- A just God wouldn't torture for disbelief due to missing evidence. In a just system, deeds must be the basis of reward and punishment, not beliefs.
- The Jesus I was taught to believe in was not hateful or discriminatory, and certainly didn't lash out for honest mistakes. The fire and brimstone preachers were caught up in their own personal anger and projecting it onto their version of god.
The clarity of these personal revelations was convincing evidence of their divinity to my Christian self. They made it possible for me to think openly about the strength of the evidence for the things I was taught to believe as a child. I didn't need to worry about torture because God is just and wouldn't torture without reasonable cause.
In short, a rational review of the reasons for by beliefs helped me recognize the circular logic and simple collection of human cognitive frailties which lead to and reinforce superstitious beliefs. Central to those are the power of community belief, and confirmation bias. But surely there must be evidence of god which stands up to scrutiny that accounts for these cognitive biases!
There wasn't. I looked and didn't find it in any of the places I expected to. Of course, I heard that "Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence", but given the superstitious nature of early people, I couldn't shake the possibility that my religion was just as much a superstition as all the others.
I was atheist for decades before I really even knew the word, much less found authors or community. There wasn't a sudden switch, but a gradual increase in my doubt for god. Example after example showed that God was no more likely than other mythical creatures.
I was atheist for decades before I really even knew the word, much less found authors or community. There wasn't a sudden switch, but a gradual increase in my doubt for god. Example after example showed that God was no more likely than other mythical creatures.
- Intercessory Prayer (Prayer for others) [FAIL]
- Better health of believers [FAIL]
- Trustworthy clergy [FAIL]
- Miracles [FAIL]
- Firmament and heaven up in the sky [FAIL]
- Genetics or archeology to confirm any ancient books [FAIL]
If God is real, it has no detectable interaction with reality which I've been able to uncover. And belief without reason is unhealthy.
Maybe I'll meet a god some day. I doubt it, but if I do and it's ethical and benevolent, it will understand and accept my nonbelief.
Wednesday, September 9, 2015
Towards an Objective Assessment of Scriptural Prophecy
Introduction
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Background
Bayes' Theorem is a theorem in probability and statistics which computes the likelihood of related events given some assumptions. In its simplest form, it states:
$ P(A|B) = \frac{P(B|A) P(A)}{ P(B) } $
Where P(x) is the probability of x being true, and P(x|y) is the probability of x being true, assuming that y is true. x and y being events or observations.
Method
For starters, let's consider what I think is the meat of prophecies: That they support the claim of divine and infallible nature of a holy book. Let us ask Bayes, "What is the probability that a holy book is divine ($div$) given that a prophecy it contains is true ($pro$)." That is to say:
$ P(div|pro) = \frac{P(pro|div) P(div)}{ P(pro) } $
I'm not sure if we'll be able to get very far, but let's dive in, shall we?
Divinity Yields Accurate Prophecy?
$P(pro|div)$
What is the chance that a prophecy will be true in a divine book? That depends on who you ask and what you assume for the nature of the divinity which inspired the book. That being said, be careful what you apply to this probability. Too low and the $ P(div|pro) $ approaches zero. Too high and a failed prophecy will prove the Bible isn't divine.
Likelihood of Divinity
$P(div)$
What is the chance that a particular holy book is divine without any other assumptions? Again, this depends dramatically on the incoming assumptions about the holy book in question.
- Many presuppositionalists enter the discussion with $ P(div) = 1 $.
- If you assume that one book is divine among all titles ever written, your value for $ P(div) $ is very close to 0.
- If you assume that of the four holy books (Torah, Bible, Quran, and Book of Mormon), one and only one is divine, you get $ P(div) = 0.25 $
To be honest, I'm not satisfied with any of these answers. All of them are pretty arbitrary given that we have no way of knowing if or how often books are divine.
Likelihood of Prophecy being True
$ P(pro) $
What is the likelihood of the prophecy coming true without any assumptions about the divinity of the book in question? In evaluating this likelihood, it's important to consider:
- If people believing the book is divine will make the prophecy more or less likely to come true
- The likelihood that the event would happen anyways
In other words, to determine if the prophecy is true, we must consider it in the context of the events we know to be true
$P(pro|evt) = \frac{P(evt|pro) P(pro)}{ P(evt) } $
$P(evt)$ in the denominator means that if the event would be likely to happen anyways ("There will be wars and famine and disease!!!") then the prophecy isn't likely to be true.
$P(pro)$ in the numerator means you have to guess at the likelihood of the specific prophecy being true. I'm not sure how to estimate this value. Perhaps this could be done by comparing it to other prophecies in the book?
$ P(evt|pro) $ is the probability of the specific events, given that the prophecy is true. Again, this is very subjective, but it means you must clearly define what your "event" is and assess its likelihood given the prophecy being true. If there are other ways of fulfilling the prophecy, they reduce this likelihood.
Discussion
I'm not going to drag you all the way through a specific example. My intention in this post is to communicate the various terms that need to be considered when assessing the likelihood of a book's divinity given that a prophecy is true. Hope this helps.
Extra Credit
Suppose we believed that $P(div) = 1$ and $P(pro|div) = 1$. Show that $P(pro)$ must be equal to unity and that therefore ANY prophecy which can be shown to be false proves the assumptions are wrong -- either the Bible is not divine or the divine agent produces false prophecies.
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Tuesday, August 18, 2015
Year in the Bible - Super Secret Edition [Working Draft]
Wouldn't it be neat to publish a Bible devotional in a tabloid style?
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Year In The Bible
Super Secret Edition
Scandalous Bible Verses Your Preachers Hopes You Never Discover
Monthly Themes:
- Convincing believers not to question religious authority -- even when it's absurd
- A fool says in his heart
- The story of Thomas
- 1 Chorinthians I
- Kill apostates and non-believers (if you doubt, don't tell!)
- Mobster-Style Blind Loyalty
- Job
- Lot
- Abraham and Isaac
- Magical Creatures (March)
- Unicorns
- Fire-breathing Dragons
- Living in a fish
- Satyrs
- Revelation stuff
- Talking Snakes
- Talking Donkeys
- Burning Bushes
- Learning and Cooperation is bad
- Tree of Knowledge
- Tower of Babel
- John 4 - Jesus Learnin'
- ?
- Broken Morality
- Stoning Children
- Passover
- Stoning non-virgins
- Polyamory - King concubines
- Slavery
- Mistreatment of Women
- Stoning non-virgins
- Lot's wife
- Daughter sacrifice for battle victory
- Keep virgins for yourselves
- Lot's daughters
- God Makes Mistakes
- Adam and Eve
- Noah's Ark
- Satan
- Broken word
Friday, July 17, 2015
Ideas for an atheist billboard near the Ark Encounter

We need your inputs.
I'd like to see atheist (or maybe just rationalist) advertising near Ken Ham's monument to ignorance and genocide (A.K.A. "The Ark Encounter") but I'm not sure where to start or what the right message should be. Here are some ideas:- Did it rain in Antarctica?
- How did all the marsupials get to Australia?
- What did all the animals to to deserve death?
- How many babies drowned in the "flood"?
Good thing it never really happened.
My goal would be to plant some seeds of doubt in the minds of those attending. Other ideas are either more abrasive or more mathematical.
- Does your God commit genocide?
- Need to fact check this: Most Jews and Most Christians understand the Ark is a myth. (Optional: But most Muslims accept it as truth.)
- Show a valid quote from a Pope stating that the Ark is a legend, "Even the pope admits it never happened"
- Where did the food come from? Where did the poop go?
- Fire code limits Ark Occupancy at X. That's only X/2 species.
Goals of such a sign:
In any case, I think a WAG for such a billboard is about $5k. Not sure if that includes the design or not. Please share this article if you'd support the idea. And share your thoughts in the comments section below or via tweet to @AtheistEngineer.
Edits and Updates:
- Raise awareness that lots of people think this is absurd
- Advertise an atheist / secular / skeptical event (leverage media coverage as advertising)
- Plant a seed of doubt in the indoctrinated
- What else could we accomplish? Not gonna convert anyone.
In any case, I think a WAG for such a billboard is about $5k. Not sure if that includes the design or not. Please share this article if you'd support the idea. And share your thoughts in the comments section below or via tweet to @AtheistEngineer.
Edits and Updates:
- If at first you don't succeed …
Drown everything and try again [link] - "Would a loving and all-powerful god REALLY annihilate all of humanity on the planet for the purpose of a do-over?" [link]
- We don't celebrate death (images of Ark, Abraham/Isaac, Passover, and Jesus).
Atheists are better without gods.
Meet-up / event information. - Ark Encounter: Were the only evidence necessary is proof of admission. [link]
- "Ark Encounter": Science-free zone ahead [link]
- "Ark Encounter": Proven wrong by geology, archaeology, genetics, and common sense
- If you think Noah and his family cared for millions of animals, you've quite obviously never kept a horse.... [link]
- Rear view: God carrying set of golf clubs walking toward the "19th hole" caption reads: Noah's Ark: God's Mulligan [link]
- Noah's Ark: Why would you want to spend eternity with the worst mass murderer in "history"? [link]
- @AtheistBigfoot: @AtheistEngineer The passage should be "Others will know this BS is crazy, but not you. You're gullible"
- @wildy412: @AtheistEngineer want to drop out of school, stop thinking for yourself? Visit the Ark, where stupidity welcomes you.
Thursday, June 18, 2015
If Bible stories were named like Aesop's fables
Now that I'm no longer in the Christian church, it seems so painfully obvious that Bible stories are simply attempts to explain the world around us, and rather juvenile ones of that.
My kids love reading Aesop's fables and "just so" stories so I thought it would be fun to remap some Bible story titles into Aesop's fables titles. So for a little fun, let's think up some new names for classic Bible stories that better fit the genre!
- Genesis 3 (The Fall of Man):
- "How the Serpent lost his legs"
- "How Survival Became Hard"
- "Why Birth Hurts a Woman"
- Genesis 5-7 (Noah's Ark):
- "How the Rainbow got its Colors"
- "The Old Man and his Boat"
- Exodus 12 (Passover)
- "The Chosen People's Escape"
- "How the Red Sea got its Name"
- Exodus 20 (10 Commandments):
- "How Killing Turned Out to be Wrong"
- "The Twisted Morality of Jealous Inmortality"
- Book of Job: "Why Your Day Sometimes Sucks"
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Saturday, June 6, 2015
The "Prophecies" of Dr. Seuss
A common refrain among Muslims and Christians alike is that their holy book makes prophecies. When pressed for examples, we quickly find that the believer is favorably interpreting vague scriptures as predictions of known events. This is a sort of after-the-fact fitting reality to the verses rather than the other way around. It permits the validation of all sorts of ridiculous prophesies.
For example, in this post, a Muslim interprets Allah's quote, "And verily, a day with your Lord is as a thousand years of what you reckon." to be a prophecy of the speed of light. Over here, Sura 55, verse 33: "O assembly of Jinns and Men, if you can penetrate regions of the heavens and the earth, then penetrate them! You will not penetrate them save with a Power." is interpreted to prophesize that man will develop space travel! Finally, here you can see that the Koran predicts atomic theory when it says "[ Allah is] the Knower of the unseen." Not absent from Him is an atom's weight within the heavens or within the earth or [what is] smaller than that or greater, except that it is in a clear register"!
Christians do this too.
Since we're starting with the answer, the process becomes much easier. It just requires some creativity as I will demonstrate with the assistance of Dr. Seuss as my prophesy material rather than the Bible.
For example, in this post, a Muslim interprets Allah's quote, "And verily, a day with your Lord is as a thousand years of what you reckon." to be a prophecy of the speed of light. Over here, Sura 55, verse 33: "O assembly of Jinns and Men, if you can penetrate regions of the heavens and the earth, then penetrate them! You will not penetrate them save with a Power." is interpreted to prophesize that man will develop space travel! Finally, here you can see that the Koran predicts atomic theory when it says "[ Allah is] the Knower of the unseen." Not absent from Him is an atom's weight within the heavens or within the earth or [what is] smaller than that or greater, except that it is in a clear register"!
Christians do this too.
Since we're starting with the answer, the process becomes much easier. It just requires some creativity as I will demonstrate with the assistance of Dr. Seuss as my prophesy material rather than the Bible.
- "Green Eggs and Ham" was a prophecy about mankind finding value in molds like Penicillin
- "One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish" Is a prophecy for evolutionary change in species and the discovery of the Tiktaalik fossils.
- "The Cat in the Hat" foretold the U.S. banking crisis. Thing 1&2 were AIG and Lehman Bros. Off having fun without supervision. The Cat is the US Government, which helped clean up the mess with its big machine.
- "The Foot Book" is a prophecy about your personal (possibly not yet recognized) foot fetish.
- Note: This one uses a prophesy of things that you don't know now but will soon discover. It's similar to the theist's prophesy that you'll tremble before their god on judgement day. This method is great because there's absolutely no way to disprove it!
… You kinky foot-fetish-freak! (DM me, let's talk) - "Oh the Places You'll Go" foretold the rovers on Mars.
- Thneeds in "The Lorax" were a prophecy of the emergence of the Snuggie!
- "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" was a prophecy of the "War on Christmas!"
- "Yertle the Turtle" was a prophesy about the fall of the Roman empire.
- "The Sneetches" was a prophesy about Apple's iPhone marketing strategy.
- "The Zax" who got stuck in their tracks is a prophecy about the two-party political stalemate in America.
- "Hop on Pop" Prophesied women's liberation through the emergence of stay-at-home dads once women bagan having careers.
- "Mr. Brown Can Moo, Can You?" Prophesized the emergence of Mad Cow disease
- "There's a Wocket in My Pocket" was a prophesy about the emergence of mobile phones and the proliferation of intelligent gagets throughout the home.
- "Green Eggs and Ham" was prophecy of GMO foods. (@harrybulzonya)
- "Through 3 cheese trees" This is a warning against GMO crops. (@AtheistMutt)
- "The Cat in the hat" predicts that Cat and Human DNA will be put together to form a walking talking hat wearing Man-Cat. (@JohnDoe_997)
- Hey! It could happen!
See how it's done? Simply pick a verse and find something plausible that it could be an analogy for after-the-fact. (post-hoc). There are enough flowery and non-specific verses in the Bible to satisfy nearly any event.
Edit: related honorable mentions:
Saturday, April 4, 2015
If the Bible Were Really Divine
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Bible in Candlelight by Vishnu gs |
1. thou shalt always wash thy hands with soap and water after thou poopeth. 2. for The Lord thy God hath made thy feces unclean and he shall make thee sick if thou breaketh this commandment. 3. Also shalt thou wash thine hands before thou consumeth food. 4. Before thou drinketh water, thou must boil it for 10 minutes. 5. For The Lord, thy God hath filled the world with teeny-tiny parasites that shall consumeth thee from thine insides if thou consumeth them with thine food or drink. 6. Praise be to God, maker of all things including disease and parasites
Amen.
It wouldn't even need to explain the germ theory of disease -- only demonstrate that the inspirational source of the book had knowledge of these things.
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